lef
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Post by lef on Apr 19, 2015 4:47:30 GMT -5
I was thinking about the general idea of my armed forces. I already started to draw plans etc about my nuclear weapons ( what submarines to use for them etc) and then I realized that maybe quite a few other players will be doing this, too. A region full of nuclear armed nations, especially will the global capability to deploy them (I'm not even talking about US style but UK and Russia), wouldn't be very fun to play with I imagine.
So how should we handle weapons of mass destruction? What restrictions (if any ) should we put in?*
Here's my suggestions/observations:
1. The country must have a large enough economy and a focus on military. Now this a tricky one since Israel has them, yet their economy is small (I did not say underdeveloped). On the other hand underdeveloped countries like India and Pakistan have them and, although they have a large economy, they are not too military focused (compared too Israel for example).
2. Nuclear weapons is one thing, having the capability to deploy/strike around the globe is another.
3. We should probably allow only a couple of nations(players) to RP having them. Let's say 2-3 and maybe later increase the number if there's such a need.
4. As far as deciding who should get them, I think a sunset period should be used for players to register their request and after a while (too be determined how long) Ventalia (or the community by vote) should decide who gets to have them by judging the RP activity (quality, quantity, wiki). Basically not giving nukes to those who are mostly inactive of obnoxious.
Honestly, i have no idea if we should separate WMD by categories (chemicals, nuclear, biological) when deciding who can have what. It might me hard to follow.
What do you guys think?
*I fully realize that Ventalia has the final word on this. I'm only proposing suggestions to be taking into consideration.
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Post by gottimhimmelct on Apr 19, 2015 9:11:16 GMT -5
Maybe not limited to 2-3 but I do like the idea of some countries not having them. I would be fine not having WMDs because I am a colony and colonies don't get nice things.
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Post by Ventalia on Apr 19, 2015 12:41:05 GMT -5
You're certainly onto something there, LEF. Nuclear weapons, in the real world, are certainly the rarest of WMDs. Most any country has chemical and biological weapons (even friendly, maple-syrupy, doughnut & coffee Canada here) - so I suppose the question should focus on nukes.
My only real fear is godmodding. It's not acceptable on the NS forums, and I don't want it here. This region is about realistic RP, so nuclear weapons should never be the first resort. Like in the real world, they should be a threat instead of a "reasonable" option.
Caps and tracking are tedious and may result in unnecessary arguments. I'm not concerned with weapon count, but it's certainly true that a small, poor country can't expect to have many (if any) nuclear weapons.
So all in all, I feel that nuclear capabilities are ultimately up to the player within reason, and if the community spots an issue or feels something makes little sense, we'll deal with it then.
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alpsol
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Post by alpsol on Apr 19, 2015 14:19:22 GMT -5
Well in my Nation im working on space weps im not sure if that counts and I hope I can have them in today's MT cause its totally possible
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Post by Ventalia on Apr 19, 2015 14:25:32 GMT -5
Well in my Nation im working on space weps im not sure if that counts and I hope I can have them in today's MT cause its totally possible Of course. Hell, China demonstrated their capabilities a few years back by destroying some disused satellites with a weaponized satellite. Just be prepared for a diplomatic backlash. |
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alpsol
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Post by alpsol on Apr 19, 2015 17:06:34 GMT -5
Ok got it
I've got so many space wep ideas
This is gonna be great Alpsol shall be safe and it will protect its allies too
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Post by aszakaeria on Apr 19, 2015 20:19:46 GMT -5
Typically I try to avoid nuclear devices, mainly because no one likes to be nuked and it usually comes off as godmodding. If you guys want to use them I suppose that's alright, I'm not going to have them nor employ them in any sense.
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Post by Githoniel on Apr 20, 2015 2:57:44 GMT -5
Asza, perhaps we could form a coalition against WMDs. Considering we pretty much dominate that interior strait - trade embargoes are a certain deterrent!
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alpsol
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Post by alpsol on Apr 20, 2015 10:45:11 GMT -5
Heh are they now
I'm pretty sure I can find a way around Not that I want to instigate war or anything
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Post by aszakaeria on Apr 20, 2015 16:18:56 GMT -5
Well I suppose if worse comes to worst then a trade embargo on nuclear nations is the best option. After all economically speaking, the straits are the most cost effective, and the safest way to trade amongst each other. I guess if we agree to have them that's okay, just be prepared to have your economy tank if you so decide to have such weapons  |
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alpsol
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Post by alpsol on Apr 20, 2015 17:48:52 GMT -5
Haha yah totally I get ya
I plan to use kamikaze satellites any way
And if I wanted to I could put nukes on em I guess but I'm not gonna do that
Using nukes I general is stupid ill prolly end up joining yah against nukes
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Post by gottimhimmelct on Apr 21, 2015 10:29:42 GMT -5
I hate to tell you, but Kamikaze implies whatever is being flow is manned. It not an act, but rather a spiritual belief closely tied to Bushido. It is not crashing into something, but the idea that if one does crash into something in the name of the Emporer, they are acting as a "divine wind", which is what Kamikaze means.
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alpsol
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Post by alpsol on Apr 21, 2015 12:19:14 GMT -5
Yes that's right
Good job!
In this case im using it as the act of crashing yourself into something
Yourself = my unmanned satellites
Something = my enemies
Hopefully that clears it up for you ^_^
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Post by gottimhimmelct on Apr 21, 2015 17:56:23 GMT -5
Unless your satellites have Japanese people who are devoted to the Emperor to the point of death in it, they are not kamikazes.
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alpsol
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Post by alpsol on Apr 21, 2015 18:54:45 GMT -5
Ofc they don't have Japanese people in them are you crazy? Kamikaze were suicide attacks ,much like today's suicide bombings by terrorists,and were made by the Japanese during the end leg of the second great war with the goal of taking out as many ships as possible
Thats what they were, a force not afraid to die because they thought that they were so right they would even have eternal peace, much like today's jihadists who kill themselves in the name of god
Are you going to tell me ' oh jihad means holy war and there fighting for god ' ? That still doesn't change what they were , suicide attackers killing themselves to kill others. Much like I said my satellites can do except that they aren't alive.Kamikaze implies that a person uses an instrument to kill themselves or to destroy that object to inflict damage or kill another person,place or thing.
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